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06/28/2015

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Mark Lawson

Dave,

No need to apologize. I didn't detect any bashing in your question.

Mark

Dave Rosenfeld

Mark,

Thanks for the clarification concerning the "sex factor" part of my comment. In no way was my comment meant to bash same sex couples. I did not take into account when this was written and it's interpretation back to that time. If I have offended anybody reading my comment, my sincerest apologies. I got caught up in a "stereotype" that society has marked as unhealthy based on pro-creation and drank the Kool-Aid.

Mark Lawson

Dave,

Thanks for the opportunity to respond. I assume you are referencing 1 Timothy 1:8-11 because it specifically mentions "sodomites" as among the "lawless and disobedient." But that term cannot be equated with homosexuality for two reasons. First, the term translated as sodomy refers specifically to exploitative sexual encounters - rape, prostitution, and most familiarly in that time the practice of Roman males keeping harems of young boys. We don't condemn heterosexuality because of exploitative heterosexual behavior, and that's not a reason to condemn homosexuality, either. Second, the concept of sexual orientation was not known at the time of the New Testament writings. So there is no word in biblical Greek that equates to "homosexuality." Behavior and orientation are two completely different things.

I should also say that I simply don't believe religious liberty is being undermined by extending marriage to more people. Nobody is going to win a civil suit against an ordained minister who refuses to perform a wedding for any reason. The rhetoric about "undermining religious liberty" is a ruse. The same complaint was made in the 1960's when the Supreme Court upheld the right of mixed race couples to be married, and even now, an ordained minister can refuse to marry two people of different ethnicities, even though that would be seen as clearly racist by most people.

JML

Dave Rosenfeld

You bring up many great points in regards to same sex marriage but I would like your viewpoint in regards to 1 Timothy 10:8-11. My brother and I had a discussion on this on our drive back from Oswego on Sunday. If support is to be given to same sex marriage, don't we have to encompass the "sex factor" as well as part of the whole package? My brother wants to support and bring Christ to everyone he comes in contact with but is on the fence on marrying same sex couples based on this one principle, not to mention possible civil suits if he does not marry them. It seems that the term "separation of Church and State" as time goes on is taking a back seat.

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